web site...when the magazine come i will see if i can get the entire article
Raisins and grapes: Potentially lethal treats for dogs
Brandy Porterpan, DVM
Can raisins and grapes really poison dogs? The answer is an emphatic yes, and your dog-owning clients need to know it. And you need to know how to recognize and manage this toxicosis in case an affected dog is presented to your practice.
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You know...I have seen this, and I wish we had known this when we had our Great Dane...Scooby died 2 years ago now, and he loved grapes...and we gave them to him 
I often wonder if his demise was because of this...he was having bladder problems, and was showing more symptoms of a stroke, but looking back, it could have been advanced kidney failure...
either way...the vet wasy trying to find out what happened, and he took another stroke, and died at home before anything could be done...
I will never tell my son this, because Scooby was his dog, and for him to think that maybe we contributed to his death in this way would be unbearable...we just know now to NOT give grapes, raisins, etc to our dogs...
I often wonder if his demise was because of this...he was having bladder problems, and was showing more symptoms of a stroke, but looking back, it could have been advanced kidney failure...either way...the vet wasy trying to find out what happened, and he took another stroke, and died at home before anything could be done...
I will never tell my son this, because Scooby was his dog, and for him to think that maybe we contributed to his death in this way would be unbearable...we just know now to NOT give grapes, raisins, etc to our dogs...
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well to tell the truth i was nevver aware of it..i had heard and read little bits and pieces about rasins et but i hope when i get the entire article it may show the lethal dose which i suspect is rather high....
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Information available from a couple years ago:
The quantities of grapes/raisins has ranged from 0.1 oz/kg to 8 oz/kg. Grapes included those purchased from stores, home-grown grapes fresh off of the vine, and grape pressings left over from wine making. Raisins included a variety of brands of commercial raisins. To date the toxic principle is unknown. Analysis of grapes or raisins involved in some of these cases has been negative for heavy metals, pesticides, and known mycotoxins.
In most cases, dogs started vomiting within 6 hours of ingestion, with grapes/raisins often seen in the vomitus. Other signs reported in the first 24-36 hours were diarrhea (+/- blood), anorexia, lethargy, and abdominal pain. Ninety five percent of dogs had elevated serum creatinine upon presentation to the veterinarian; ninety percent had elevated blood urea nitrogen on presentation. Some dogs also had elevations in serum calcium, phosphorus, glucose, liver enzymes, amylase or lipase. Half of the dogs developed anuric or oliguric renal failure within 36-72 hours of ingestion of grapes or raisins, and one third of the dogs died or were euthanized due to poor response to treatment for renal failure. One dog with anuric renal failure recovered following peritoneal dialysis.
Until more information is available, ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center is recommending that dogs ingesting grapes or raisins, especially in large quantities, be managed aggressively. Early decontamination via emesis or lavage followed by activated charcoal is recommended. Fluid diuresis (two times maintenance) for 48 hours should be instituted, and serial serum chemistries should monitored for at least 72 hours post ingestion. Use of diuretics to maintain adequate urine flow is essential in cases of oliguria or anuria. If available, peritoneal dialysis or hemodialysis may be considered in cases of refractory anuria/oliguria. Symptomatic care for vomiting, diarrhea, or other signs may be required. Animals developing severe oliguria or anuria have a poor prognosis.
Sharon Gwaltney-Brant DVM, PhD, DABVT, DABT
ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center, Urbana, IL
Tambrey, I think it's safe to say Scooby's passing was not a result of grapes. Since toxicity is fairly rapid, your vet would have detected elevated kidney enzyme levels right away.
The quantities of grapes/raisins has ranged from 0.1 oz/kg to 8 oz/kg. Grapes included those purchased from stores, home-grown grapes fresh off of the vine, and grape pressings left over from wine making. Raisins included a variety of brands of commercial raisins. To date the toxic principle is unknown. Analysis of grapes or raisins involved in some of these cases has been negative for heavy metals, pesticides, and known mycotoxins.
In most cases, dogs started vomiting within 6 hours of ingestion, with grapes/raisins often seen in the vomitus. Other signs reported in the first 24-36 hours were diarrhea (+/- blood), anorexia, lethargy, and abdominal pain. Ninety five percent of dogs had elevated serum creatinine upon presentation to the veterinarian; ninety percent had elevated blood urea nitrogen on presentation. Some dogs also had elevations in serum calcium, phosphorus, glucose, liver enzymes, amylase or lipase. Half of the dogs developed anuric or oliguric renal failure within 36-72 hours of ingestion of grapes or raisins, and one third of the dogs died or were euthanized due to poor response to treatment for renal failure. One dog with anuric renal failure recovered following peritoneal dialysis.
Until more information is available, ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center is recommending that dogs ingesting grapes or raisins, especially in large quantities, be managed aggressively. Early decontamination via emesis or lavage followed by activated charcoal is recommended. Fluid diuresis (two times maintenance) for 48 hours should be instituted, and serial serum chemistries should monitored for at least 72 hours post ingestion. Use of diuretics to maintain adequate urine flow is essential in cases of oliguria or anuria. If available, peritoneal dialysis or hemodialysis may be considered in cases of refractory anuria/oliguria. Symptomatic care for vomiting, diarrhea, or other signs may be required. Animals developing severe oliguria or anuria have a poor prognosis.
Sharon Gwaltney-Brant DVM, PhD, DABVT, DABT
ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center, Urbana, IL
Tambrey, I think it's safe to say Scooby's passing was not a result of grapes. Since toxicity is fairly rapid, your vet would have detected elevated kidney enzyme levels right away.
..........Traci
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Couple of questions:
This sentence (the units) confuse me. "The quantities of grapes/raisins has ranged from 0.1 oz/kg to 8 oz/kg." Is it 0.1 oz, or 0.1 kg?
Does this apply to cats too? Noodle likes sweets, and I think she has eaten raisins in the past ...
What is anuric and oliguric?
This sentence (the units) confuse me. "The quantities of grapes/raisins has ranged from 0.1 oz/kg to 8 oz/kg." Is it 0.1 oz, or 0.1 kg?
Does this apply to cats too? Noodle likes sweets, and I think she has eaten raisins in the past ...
What is anuric and oliguric?
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Translation: 0.1 oz per kg of weight.
Oliguria is an abnormally low production of urine. Anuria is almost no production of urine, or a tiny amount.
I don't think there has been any mention (or much of) grape/raisin toxicity in cats, but don't take any risks, don't feed them to the cats.
Oliguria is an abnormally low production of urine. Anuria is almost no production of urine, or a tiny amount.
I don't think there has been any mention (or much of) grape/raisin toxicity in cats, but don't take any risks, don't feed them to the cats.
..........Traci
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Thank you Traci...that has put my mind at ease as far as the grape issue goes...he never had THAT many...maybe one or two whenever we ate a hanfdul of grapes...and being a dog that weighed 165 pounds, it would have taken ALOT of grapes...and the symptoms were not sudden, except for the appearance of a couple of strokes...
his parents were siblings and the puppies were a litter that was not supposed to happen (sneaky male dog!), so we did get him for free with the understanding that he be neutered (the owners gave all eight away with the same conditions) and that there could be a possible health issues because they were brother and sister...so he could have had a heart defect or any number of other issues we just were not aware of and came on too fast to find what it was...
But it is good to know it most likely was NOT the grapes we fed him!
his parents were siblings and the puppies were a litter that was not supposed to happen (sneaky male dog!), so we did get him for free with the understanding that he be neutered (the owners gave all eight away with the same conditions) and that there could be a possible health issues because they were brother and sister...so he could have had a heart defect or any number of other issues we just were not aware of and came on too fast to find what it was...
But it is good to know it most likely was NOT the grapes we fed him!
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Tambrey, how old was Scooby when he became ill? I've always admired Great Danes. But I used to know a well-to-do couple who kept their big boat on Pier I at Orleans Marina; they were from Indiana and came down for the winter - back home one of their hobbies was raising and showing Great Danes. Just about every season in the years we were friends, they would arrive with another sad story about how fragile the breed is and what a short life span it has... 6 or even 5 years was not unusual according to these folks.
I actually sat and cried when I found out how short the average life span of purebred GSDs is - 11 or 12 years for show/competition/rescue, although apparently longer for companions... my periodontist had one who lived to be over 15. Anyway, my point is, I agree that poor Scooby's genetic background and the inbreeding were the significant factors in his case... but must say I too will be careful about grapes from now on (not that my picky dog would eat one if it was offered, probably
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I actually sat and cried when I found out how short the average life span of purebred GSDs is - 11 or 12 years for show/competition/rescue, although apparently longer for companions... my periodontist had one who lived to be over 15. Anyway, my point is, I agree that poor Scooby's genetic background and the inbreeding were the significant factors in his case... but must say I too will be careful about grapes from now on (not that my picky dog would eat one if it was offered, probably
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Scooby had just turned four when he passed away, so he was not very old, but he was fragile, or maybe clumsy...I don't know...he never did do stairs, we had a ramp built off the back porch for him...and he ate from an elevated platform because getting to the dishes on the floor was hard for him...he was 36" at the shoulder and over 4 feet long...he was an awesome dog, though...
here is the link to his webpage...sorry fi ti takes a while to load...
http://www.acsnet.com/~tambrey/Scooby.html
Yes, the Kong was the biggest one they hade, and yeah, he is eating Tostitos from my son's mouth
and his ears had to be cropped shorter than normal...we were not going to crop at all, but he got curious as a ten week old puppy (at 24 pounds then!), stuck his head through the dryer vent hole in the side of the house, and pulled out the entire board, vents and all...we had to go have the vet put him to sleep to get the scary board off of his head, and in the process of him sticking his head in, and trying to pull it out on his own, he broke his ear and it flopped in his eye all the time...
He was a character and always a handful...and we loved him dearly and I would LOVE to have another Great Dane one day...
here is the link to his webpage...sorry fi ti takes a while to load...
http://www.acsnet.com/~tambrey/Scooby.html
Yes, the Kong was the biggest one they hade, and yeah, he is eating Tostitos from my son's mouth
and his ears had to be cropped shorter than normal...we were not going to crop at all, but he got curious as a ten week old puppy (at 24 pounds then!), stuck his head through the dryer vent hole in the side of the house, and pulled out the entire board, vents and all...we had to go have the vet put him to sleep to get the scary board off of his head, and in the process of him sticking his head in, and trying to pull it out on his own, he broke his ear and it flopped in his eye all the time...
He was a character and always a handful...and we loved him dearly and I would LOVE to have another Great Dane one day...