My Latest Rescue ~ Snurple Has Grown

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My Latest Rescue ~ Snurple Has Grown

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went to the grocery store this morning (09/16/12) in Akron and almost home when I saw this in the road...the car behind me managed to miss it...I whipped a *beep* and went back...cars were coming...I dashed out...grabbed it up and ran back to the car just as it would have been smashed...right now I am feeding it celery leaves, grapes and shredded carrots til I get a permanent place and food for it...then decide what to do as it grows..
We have an old aquarium that I will get cleaned out and set up as a terrarium for it...with a muddy watery area as well as a higher dry area...

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and yes...I have washed my hands a out 5 times since I brought it in...and when we get it set in the terrarium, I will get a bottle of hand sanitizer to hang nearby

he crumbs in the container are cat food crumbs...I grabbed it coz it was the nearest thing to find to put it in when I got home...the container is what I use to carry food to the outside cats, so I have to find something else big enough for 5 scoops of food!

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with winter coming....this little one would not make it...we have had such a lack of water and such heat that it was late hatching...there is no water sources around here right now....

So I guess our plan for a pond will come to light next summer so this one has a place to live and hunt naturally...
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Tambrey, don't you have a stream/river behind your property? I believe this little guy should be released there, because his diet is very demanding in things you don't normally have (insects, snails, tiny snakes, some types of water grasses, etc )- he also needs natural sun, and access to water, perhaps mud and muddy water, so he can be in shallow water and have the ability to burrow in mud or under river cover (trees, logs, heavy brush etc).

The veggies you are planning to feed him are not his normal diet, so doubtful they would sustain him. Also, his shell is susceptible to shell-rot if not in his natural environment.

Take to FWP and try to identify him, if they can help, they'll tell you the nearest area safe enough and indigenous to him to release. He might be a common snapping turtle, a map turtle, etc, but he would probably do best in his natural environment. As long as there is brush, trees, logs, places for him to hide with rocks to climb on, and shallow to deep water, he will most likely thrive in his natural environment.
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Unfortunately with the drought we had this summer there is no water in the creek

A gal I met at convention in denver sent me her brother's ezmail and website. She said he is one of the nations leading reptile experts and can advise on what to do with it.

I know common snappers are omnivores. The food I put in there now is just what I had on hand. But I know it will need more specific - worms etc as well. And hopefully when we put it outside next summer there will be plenty of insects and frogs around. If there are particular grass or plant types they prefer I can get access to them and grow them also. I want to check, but at a "iowa turtles" seminar I was a this spring she mentioned that hers eat geranium flowers. I have those but will ask before I fed them to it!

If it had been a normal rainy summer I would take it to the creek - but the creek is just a dry rocky bed at the moment.
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I'm afraid he may not last til next summer without his natural environment, I hope the woman's brother knows what to do, but I would, personally, release him near where you found him, providing the area has safety and cover - there has to be some water around the area he was found, perhaps a natural pond nearby?
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My goodness, he is so tiny how did you see him? I'm glad you rescued him, but is there someplace within driving distance where you could release him before he becomes dependant on you to feed him? Right now, he knows how to exist in the wild. If you keep him for a while, he may lose those skills and be in danger when he's finally released. I understand why you want to keep him - you'll know he's safe, but is that really in his best interest for the long term?
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Well...I have not received a reply back from my friend's brother...but she said it might be days in between him checking e-mail.

However, I did find a very detailed site on all sorts of turtles by a family who has raised them for many years. I e-mailed the writer of that site and he has messaged me back and pointed me to more specific sections of his site.

reading there, it is mixed feelings about keeping or letting go...personal choice really...they have kept them for the first year to help with survival because over the years they have found that during that first year the turtles do not "bond" and they have turned many back to the wild after seeing them through the winter.

they have also set up backyard habitats for the various turtles they raise. And again, there are detailed instructions on how to give them room to roam and grow in a safe habitat if that is what one wishes to do...after they are old enough and big enough to be outside.

So for this winter at least, I will follow his guidelines and see how it goes next summer...as to whether we give it a pond and habitat or take it to hopefully the creek...

here is the link he referred me to...and there are many others on his site as well

http://turtle_tails.tripod.com/raisingbabyturtles2/tour18.htm


and here is the e-mail I received from him
First I will assume that you identified it correctly. Most baby turtles will bury themselves and snappers will bury themselves 95% of the time when given the chance. There is nothing wrong with it, but it is not what you want. On my Raising Baby Turtles page is an article "Starting Hatchling Water Turtles" where I show how I start my babies in a simple pan of water. I have three pans each with a dozen turtles in them right now. In each pan I have a ceramic hide box which a snapper would be happy to have. In another article I show how to make hide boxes from items like ceramic bowls. This is how I would start your snapper for several months.

When you are ready to move the turtle to an aquarium, I recommend only using several inches of water like I show in many of the articles on the Raising Baby Turtles page. And after you move the baby to an aquarium, I recommend feeding it in a separate container of water rather than the aquarium.

As you have time I recommend reading ALL the articles on the Raising Baby Turtles page. There are stories about snappers mixed in. Before you build a pond for your snapper, read the articles on the Backyard Turtles page. Some snappers are excellent pets and friendly while others are not. It will be a year or two before you will know. I suggest that if you were to build a turtle pond, build it for turtles in general and not just for one snapping turtle.

As far as predators go, a fish pond will have predators and maybe more than a turtle pond. Turtles will need confined or they will walk off. But you have plenty of time to work that out.

One last thing. Your turtle will not eat veggies. It will eat commercail turtle food when it is ready to eat. I recommend Reptamin and Wardley sticks. It does not need live foods. After a few months it will like things like cooked chicken and turkey, seafoods, etc.
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It was kindhearted of you to get this baby turtle out of the road and more so to want to take care of it but my honest opinion Tambrey, you have a lot on your plate with your other animals, including the strays. I haven't read an update on the spay & neutering of your strays with Scooter's fundraising money so I'm assuming they aren't all done and you still have more to get in to the vets.

I don't know your area and can't say where to take the turtle but in my gut, I feel it's not going to survive out of it's element. Just my opinion, no disrespect.
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I understand....but with the lack of water in our area this year...it has a better chance in a tank here over the winter

and yes...I am still working on the spay/neuters as time and now gas money allows me to get a couple in. My income lately has been zero dollars so even a drive to the city is an expense I have to look at...and I will not use money from the fund to put gas in the car.
I get to the city once a week, on my husband's payday, to do the shopping...and that is mostly cat and dog food as opposed to human food.

I have an interview tomorrow and if that goes well, then gas money will not be an issue and I will once again be making daily trips to the city and can take 2 on my way in, and pick them up on my way home...
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Again, I will reiterate, these turtles take an extraordinary effort and time to raise - and you would still have to buy things to make a suitable habitat, which is expensive and may not be suitable for this type of turtle at all. I feel the need to caution about his diet, nothing you could feed would compare with his natural diet, particularly when he is so young, growing and developing, you could hurt his growth and development by feeding store-bought food, or trying to compensate with other foods.

A pond is even more difficult in terms of time, money and maintenance. Plus, predators of all kinds, including your pets, could damage the pond or get hurt in one.

Please, reconsider, release him, find a stream or river, body of water with natural habitat, he had to have come from, or was nearby such an area when you found him, I doubt he strayed too far from a natural habitat.
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I was going to suggest going back to where you found it and looking for the creek or pond he might have come from.

As far as gas, depending on how you allocated the money from Scooter's fundraiser, I don't see anything wrong in using it for a tank of gas to get to and from the vet. It's a related expense and honestly would probably cost less than spaying and neutering a whole new batch of kittens from whomever isn't snipped yet.
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