Problem With Cat Not Using Litterbox
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Problem With Cat Not Using Litterbox
We are having a problem with our cats. We have four cats total. My parents have two, a 10 year old (approximate) neutered male ~Delbert~ and a 18 year old (approximate) neutered male ~Shadow~. I moved back home with my parents about one year ago and brought my two cats, a 3 year old neutered male ~Mooch~ and a 3 year old spayed female ~Bella~. They all get along fairly well, though Mooch tends to torment the other three on occasion. He's declawed so he doesn't hurt them, just bats at them sometimes. I call him my 'White Demon'.
They have all been to the vet recently to get their shots and received clean bills of health. The oldest one is overweight with cataracts developing. We've tried diet food and everything to try to have him lose weight, but to no avail. We know he's old and eventually the day will come that he will have to be euthanized, but he's healthy otherwise and a very happy cat, so we just let him be content.
Our problem is that one of the cats keeps pooping on the floor outside the litterbox. No urine, just poo. The boxes are getting used, but there is still someone going on the floor. This started about 3 or 4 months ago. We've asked the vet about it and were told that whoever is doing it is probably upset about the addition of the new cats in the home. They suggested adding another litterbox or watching to see who is doing it and spraying him/her with water when they go outside the box. We have added two more litterboxes, so there are three total, and it hasn't changed. We've moved the boxes around to where the stool is, sprayed the floor, and it hasn't helped. The boxes are in the basement, so thankfully it is just cement floors and not carpeting, but it's getting really irritating having to clean up poo off the floor every day. We all work, I have two jobs myself, and it is just too difficult to sit and wait and watch to see who is doing it.
I have seen both Mooch and Bella use the boxes, so I know that it is not them doing it. And the oldest cat, Shadow, just peed on the dirty laundry TODAY, upstairs, not in the basement.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this? Any help would be really appreciated.
They have all been to the vet recently to get their shots and received clean bills of health. The oldest one is overweight with cataracts developing. We've tried diet food and everything to try to have him lose weight, but to no avail. We know he's old and eventually the day will come that he will have to be euthanized, but he's healthy otherwise and a very happy cat, so we just let him be content.
Our problem is that one of the cats keeps pooping on the floor outside the litterbox. No urine, just poo. The boxes are getting used, but there is still someone going on the floor. This started about 3 or 4 months ago. We've asked the vet about it and were told that whoever is doing it is probably upset about the addition of the new cats in the home. They suggested adding another litterbox or watching to see who is doing it and spraying him/her with water when they go outside the box. We have added two more litterboxes, so there are three total, and it hasn't changed. We've moved the boxes around to where the stool is, sprayed the floor, and it hasn't helped. The boxes are in the basement, so thankfully it is just cement floors and not carpeting, but it's getting really irritating having to clean up poo off the floor every day. We all work, I have two jobs myself, and it is just too difficult to sit and wait and watch to see who is doing it.
I have seen both Mooch and Bella use the boxes, so I know that it is not them doing it. And the oldest cat, Shadow, just peed on the dirty laundry TODAY, upstairs, not in the basement.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to stop this? Any help would be really appreciated.
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Re: Problem With Cat Not Using Litterbox
ONly thing I can think of right off the bat is put them in separate rooms iwth a litte pan in each one and come home to who ever is doing it. if they cant get out of the room and it is secure and cant get hurt then you'll find out who is doing it once you get home and find the poop on the floor.
As cats get older tho sometimes this happpens. Vet says that it might be due to the change but the change happen a yr ago and this is going on about 4 months. Not sure that was the problem but have all of them been checked for a UTI or bowel problems?
How are their teeth, ears, eyes, nose, mouth in general? Clear(obviously except the one w/ cateracts), good healthy gums, not mucus in nose, no loose teeth or plaque or tartar? Do you brush their teeth are they healthy ? Has blood work been done on your geriatric cats? xrays as well just as a routine check up for these older cats? Just some thoughts, i am sure there will be more help.
As cats get older tho sometimes this happpens. Vet says that it might be due to the change but the change happen a yr ago and this is going on about 4 months. Not sure that was the problem but have all of them been checked for a UTI or bowel problems?
How are their teeth, ears, eyes, nose, mouth in general? Clear(obviously except the one w/ cateracts), good healthy gums, not mucus in nose, no loose teeth or plaque or tartar? Do you brush their teeth are they healthy ? Has blood work been done on your geriatric cats? xrays as well just as a routine check up for these older cats? Just some thoughts, i am sure there will be more help.
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As for the oldest kitty, see a new vet, cataracts can be somewhat prevented, and treated, you must know cataracts are painful and there could be an underlying health condition going on that may be worsening, and affecting the cataract development. Your vet should have referred you to a feline opthamologist for the ultimate care of your older kitty. As for the diet, your vet isn't doing enough and certainly isn't taking this seriously. Overweight cats are at high risk for heart problems, diabetes, liver failure, etc. If he hasn't had full bloodwork done in the last 6 months, get this done IMMEDIATELY, so that any underlying health condition can be detected and treated effectively. Include with the bloodwork, thyroid function testing and urinalysis (urinalysis helps to rule out kidney problems, urinary tract infection and diabetes). Same goes for the 10-yr-old kitty, she too should have full bloodwork done.
It could be one or both of the older kitties who is leaving surprises outside of the litterbox. It could be due to extreme stress, or, due to health issues, like arthritis, in which even climbing into a litterbox can be prohibitive or painful. If the cats have to go up and down stairs to get to the litterbox, this could also be quite prohibitive for an arthritic kitty. Your vet should have checked for arthritis in both the older cats!
As for the kitty urinating on the laundry, put the laundry away, and do not leave things out for them to mark. Cats will urinate on any item of clothing, laundry, etc if they have the opportunity, so put all that stuff away and do not leave anything out. Having said that however, whomever urinated on the laundry should be checked by the vet to rule out urinary tract infection. These can be somewhat silent for some cats and you may not notice obvious signs until an infection is well developed, requiring treatment.
See a new, more experienced, more comitted vet. Your oldest kitty needs better care by a vet who is comitted to addressing and treating the cataracts, and managing the weight. If he has arthritis, even his every day routine could be painful for him. Start putting one or two litterboxes upstairs so that he and the 10-year old don't have to manage stairs every time they need to use the box. The boxes should be easily accessible to them and in a quiet area, away from heavy appliances/noise/foot traffic, etc.
It could be one or both of the older kitties who is leaving surprises outside of the litterbox. It could be due to extreme stress, or, due to health issues, like arthritis, in which even climbing into a litterbox can be prohibitive or painful. If the cats have to go up and down stairs to get to the litterbox, this could also be quite prohibitive for an arthritic kitty. Your vet should have checked for arthritis in both the older cats!
As for the kitty urinating on the laundry, put the laundry away, and do not leave things out for them to mark. Cats will urinate on any item of clothing, laundry, etc if they have the opportunity, so put all that stuff away and do not leave anything out. Having said that however, whomever urinated on the laundry should be checked by the vet to rule out urinary tract infection. These can be somewhat silent for some cats and you may not notice obvious signs until an infection is well developed, requiring treatment.
See a new, more experienced, more comitted vet. Your oldest kitty needs better care by a vet who is comitted to addressing and treating the cataracts, and managing the weight. If he has arthritis, even his every day routine could be painful for him. Start putting one or two litterboxes upstairs so that he and the 10-year old don't have to manage stairs every time they need to use the box. The boxes should be easily accessible to them and in a quiet area, away from heavy appliances/noise/foot traffic, etc.
..........Traci
Traci suggested as I was going to....at least 1 litterbox on each floor so they do not need to travel so far to go bathroom...
I have one upstairs in the bathroom and use Arm & Hammer flushable litter there...it is great and I have "trained myself" that every time I use the bathroom, I scoop through the box and flush whatever is in there...
and I was able to tuck the litterbox into a space between the wall and vanity, across from the toilet (and who wants to look at a litterbox when there is not much else to do!!) so I got a springloaded curtain rod to fit that space and another shower curtain to match ours and cut a piece to make a curtain across there...cats have privacy and we don't need to look into their toilet
PS....where in Nebraska are you?...I am in NW Iowa....
I have one upstairs in the bathroom and use Arm & Hammer flushable litter there...it is great and I have "trained myself" that every time I use the bathroom, I scoop through the box and flush whatever is in there...
and I was able to tuck the litterbox into a space between the wall and vanity, across from the toilet (and who wants to look at a litterbox when there is not much else to do!!) so I got a springloaded curtain rod to fit that space and another shower curtain to match ours and cut a piece to make a curtain across there...cats have privacy and we don't need to look into their toilet
PS....where in Nebraska are you?...I am in NW Iowa....
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I am in Australia and a few years ago a lady came up with this great toilet training system. It actually trains your kitty to use the human toilet just like us (except they don't flush). I trained my 7 year year old cat to use it (now 9.5) and he is using the human toilet like a champion (think Mr Jinx from Meet the Parents). I know a friend of mine who has two kitties was having trouble getting her two to use the same litter box and she tried the system and they have been using it with no troubles. Because the waste goes into the water, it cuts down on odours so the cats don't feel threatened by using another cat's space that they may feel when using a littler box. I am not sure if it is available in the US but perhaps can be shipped. The training system is called Litter Kwitter.
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Joie, while that may be a novel idea for some cats, those who are young and healthy and where there is a calm, harmonious environment in a multi-cat household, it should not be attempted with sick or stressed cats, it would only be adding additional stress to an ill cat, stress is a precursor to numerous disease factors.
..........Traci
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It was just a suggestion! And obviously it does have a novelty factor but it certainly is a far more hygenic alternative to litter boxes. A little box stinks, especially if it is located indoors and where ever there is smells you can be sure there will be germs as well. Not to mention the mess of a litter box. Toilets are designed to deal with waste more effectively than a plastic tray filled with litter. When your cat uses the human toilet there is no risk of your kitty tracking through waste and spreading that around your home. We all know kitties love to jump on kitchen benches, so think of all the germs your kitty is leaving behind! So yes, it is a novel idea, as you stated, but it also cuts down on smell and germs around your house. I trained my 7 year old cat and it was a stress-free transition from tray to human toilet. It is a three stage process so it doesn't cause any stress and you can proceed with each stage when you like. Obviously if your cat is old and poorly than it may not be the best solution. It was just another option for someone with litter tray problems! It is up to them to determine if it is appropriate for their kitty.
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I've thought about toilet training a few times, but then I think... I have enough trouble with sharing a single bathroom with just my husband... I can only imagine how much of a pain in the butt it could be if I have to wait for my CATS to get done when I need to go. Hahaha. XD
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It does provide some funny moments that's for sure! There have been many times where kitty and I have collided trying to get to the toilet! But as usual, kitty goes first, afterall he is boss!
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You're also less likely to potty on something that belongs to him because you got tired of waiting. Hahaha. :PJoie wrote:It does provide some funny moments that's for sure! There have been many times where kitty and I have collided trying to get to the toilet! But as usual, kitty goes first, afterall he is boss!