food to fight crystal formation
food to fight crystal formation
rocky (still my "boy") has had p/u surgery (and doing great!) and is on cd/s dry. java is very much a lady and is on it too (hard to keep food separate).
i spoke with another cat owner while waiting for rocky at my vet a few weeks ago, she has had three cats with crystal problems and has tried to get them off the cd/s to no avail. she said she would try to mix it with cheaper stuff and the crytals showed up immediately. so, i am hesitant (from that story and of course my own) to change from what works.
i do have the powder uroeze (sp?) that my vet gave/charged me once upon a time and was told i could "sprinkle" this on normal food and get a near effect of the cd/s (keeping ph/acid levels in the proper areas.
suggestions on using uroeze with something from petsmart instead of cd/s at some point? is it nearly the same? i don't even remember what the stuff costs, but i know how much cd/s is .
i spoke with another cat owner while waiting for rocky at my vet a few weeks ago, she has had three cats with crystal problems and has tried to get them off the cd/s to no avail. she said she would try to mix it with cheaper stuff and the crytals showed up immediately. so, i am hesitant (from that story and of course my own) to change from what works.
i do have the powder uroeze (sp?) that my vet gave/charged me once upon a time and was told i could "sprinkle" this on normal food and get a near effect of the cd/s (keeping ph/acid levels in the proper areas.
suggestions on using uroeze with something from petsmart instead of cd/s at some point? is it nearly the same? i don't even remember what the stuff costs, but i know how much cd/s is .
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Jason,
cd/s is ok to feed longterm as long as it's ok with your Vet...if you use it definitely do not use an additional acidifier...it's the precsiption s/d that is not ok to use longterm (that is much more acidifying and definitely should not be fed to your other cat).
cd/s is similar in effect to most acidifying diets on the market, but that said it is more prescise and controlled than many which is why it's a precription as well as the testing behind it - it is ok by many vets to feed this as a maintenance diet to other cats as long as their pH is not already in a very low range metabolically where they would be prone to calcium crystals.
If he likes it I would keep on feeding it - esp. if it's working.
Bails would not eat it long term, not much short term either and gave him slightly soft poop - and had some ingredients my others could not tolerate - mine all like to eat the same stuff too. I also tried some of the other diets to no avail..but also, none kept his pH in the proper range, it was still too high even on them alone. So, instead I monitor pH with pH paper doing urine testing at home as needed and use DLM (methionine) supplements which are pills...I am not familiar with the product your Vet gave you but I assume it is similiar. If it's ok with your Vet, and you want to switch you need to do so gradually and monitor urinary pH at home, and you may need to supplement as needed.
There is no real equivelant to cd/s on the market but most cat food are at least midly acidic and if you hit it right and it agrees with his system make up wise he may do well on any of them, there is no real way to know w/o trying and all cats are a bit different that way as to what will st them off. There are other precsription products like Purina UR and IVD diets that can be used long term for this also (and may also be suitable for your other kitty). There are all kinds of thoughts as to what causes struvites from ash to magnesium to phosphorus, etc...and while I would aim to keep low in those respects also it could also come down to food make-up etc. too and how he metabloizes it.
There are also regular Science Diet foods you can buy cheaper at pet store (and at Vet) that would be more similiar in makeup if that is what he likes and he/they do well on it - then you could just supplement the acidifier as necessary per his pH and response as well as follow up urinalysis. I would think the adult maintenance variety would be a good place to start if you chose that route to try. YOu may only need to supplement a little bit, or even just a few times a week dependant..but it is imperitive to try and get the pH in a low but not too low range and keep it there to prevent further crystal development.
I hope he is doing well...I read your post about the bottom cleaning , been there ...I just used water and a paper towel but do as you need to dependant based on what Traci said with the other if it's really dirty.
Jason,
cd/s is ok to feed longterm as long as it's ok with your Vet...if you use it definitely do not use an additional acidifier...it's the precsiption s/d that is not ok to use longterm (that is much more acidifying and definitely should not be fed to your other cat).
cd/s is similar in effect to most acidifying diets on the market, but that said it is more prescise and controlled than many which is why it's a precription as well as the testing behind it - it is ok by many vets to feed this as a maintenance diet to other cats as long as their pH is not already in a very low range metabolically where they would be prone to calcium crystals.
If he likes it I would keep on feeding it - esp. if it's working.
Bails would not eat it long term, not much short term either and gave him slightly soft poop - and had some ingredients my others could not tolerate - mine all like to eat the same stuff too. I also tried some of the other diets to no avail..but also, none kept his pH in the proper range, it was still too high even on them alone. So, instead I monitor pH with pH paper doing urine testing at home as needed and use DLM (methionine) supplements which are pills...I am not familiar with the product your Vet gave you but I assume it is similiar. If it's ok with your Vet, and you want to switch you need to do so gradually and monitor urinary pH at home, and you may need to supplement as needed.
There is no real equivelant to cd/s on the market but most cat food are at least midly acidic and if you hit it right and it agrees with his system make up wise he may do well on any of them, there is no real way to know w/o trying and all cats are a bit different that way as to what will st them off. There are other precsription products like Purina UR and IVD diets that can be used long term for this also (and may also be suitable for your other kitty). There are all kinds of thoughts as to what causes struvites from ash to magnesium to phosphorus, etc...and while I would aim to keep low in those respects also it could also come down to food make-up etc. too and how he metabloizes it.
There are also regular Science Diet foods you can buy cheaper at pet store (and at Vet) that would be more similiar in makeup if that is what he likes and he/they do well on it - then you could just supplement the acidifier as necessary per his pH and response as well as follow up urinalysis. I would think the adult maintenance variety would be a good place to start if you chose that route to try. YOu may only need to supplement a little bit, or even just a few times a week dependant..but it is imperitive to try and get the pH in a low but not too low range and keep it there to prevent further crystal development.
I hope he is doing well...I read your post about the bottom cleaning , been there ...I just used water and a paper towel but do as you need to dependant based on what Traci said with the other if it's really dirty.
Additional info..
Thanks for posting that D~, I knew it would be helpful!
Jason, just want to add to D~'s advice, never use an acidifying diet with the uroeze, it is mainly used for cats who absolutely will not tolerate a prescription diet. If you use it with a prescription diet or overuse the uroeze, this may actually cause calcium oxalate crystals or urate crystals.
If you think Rocky isn't going to take to the CD, talk to your vet about the ingredients in another diet to make sure they are mildly acidifying, then you can supplement with the uroeze.
I found a product a couple months ago, you can simply put it on top of the litter to help you gauge when problems develop. It doesn't tell you that the urine may be too acidic or alkaline, but if it changes color, it is a method of alerting you to a potential problem (i.e., too acidic urine, bacterial infection). I've never evaluated this but it might be suitable rather than regent strips, worth asking your vets about.
KittyCheck Diet Imbalance Monitor
KittyCheck Infections and Stones Monitor
.........................Traci
Jason, just want to add to D~'s advice, never use an acidifying diet with the uroeze, it is mainly used for cats who absolutely will not tolerate a prescription diet. If you use it with a prescription diet or overuse the uroeze, this may actually cause calcium oxalate crystals or urate crystals.
If you think Rocky isn't going to take to the CD, talk to your vet about the ingredients in another diet to make sure they are mildly acidifying, then you can supplement with the uroeze.
I found a product a couple months ago, you can simply put it on top of the litter to help you gauge when problems develop. It doesn't tell you that the urine may be too acidic or alkaline, but if it changes color, it is a method of alerting you to a potential problem (i.e., too acidic urine, bacterial infection). I've never evaluated this but it might be suitable rather than regent strips, worth asking your vets about.
KittyCheck Diet Imbalance Monitor
KittyCheck Infections and Stones Monitor
.........................Traci
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I am glad to hear that Rocky is doing so well! I hope he will continue to do well and that you find just the right diet for him...any chance of seeing any pics?
And .....to all involved in setting up this new board, you've all done a great job with it! Thanks!!!!
Kitty kisses
DEbbie
And .....to all involved in setting up this new board, you've all done a great job with it! Thanks!!!!
Kitty kisses
DEbbie
Kitty kisses,
Debbie
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great advice from all...thanks alot.
both have been eating the cd/s for about 3 weeks with no problems. i initially was putting uroeze on rocky's cd/s wet for about a week and a half pre p/u as a possible fix....but have not used the uroeze since.
i have sometimes noticed a softening with thier stool, but otherwise they seem fine with it.
glad to see the board beginning to come to life. D~, creating an account is near effortless. have fun.
both have been eating the cd/s for about 3 weeks with no problems. i initially was putting uroeze on rocky's cd/s wet for about a week and a half pre p/u as a possible fix....but have not used the uroeze since.
i have sometimes noticed a softening with thier stool, but otherwise they seem fine with it.
glad to see the board beginning to come to life. D~, creating an account is near effortless. have fun.
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Both Rocky and Java are beautiful!
And thanks for posting their pics!
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Hi jason
I hope all problems with rocky's health are resolved by now and you are seeing the behavior changes you were hoping to see. I bet Rocky is happy to get thaat collar off.
The pictures are beautiful!!
Take care,
Lisa, Angel Smokey and little Caz
Re: Hi jason
your not kidding. he managed to remove it about 5 times during his two week bucket head experimentLisaLisa wrote:I bet Rocky is happy to get thaat collar off.
his behaviour is much better than when we first got him....i guess he has been having urinary problems for some time....he was a stray in a rural area when we found him....what a gem!