I live in Bali, Indonesia where support for pets is very very limited and vet's skill mostly below standrad. My puppy, labrador, born 25th nov 2005 (5 months old) is suffering of hip dysplasia of his right leg. Cannot find catoprophen (don't dream about cartophen) and not even rimadyl or other non-steroid anti inflamation in whole country. I have given him daily (since he was 6 weeks) glukosamin (now 1500mg dosage) and piroxicam. I give daily food (twice a day) by separate of carbohidrat and protein.
Morning 7:30am: Boiled potato & vegetables (celery, carrot, lots garlic, lettuce), Daytime 1pm: Fruits: apple / banana, Evening: 7pm: Raw Meats (250-300gr)
I NEED HELP AND SUGGESTION WHAT BEST TO KEEP HIM ALIVE. HOW? I WON'T GIVE UP ON HIM. HE IS MY BABY.
What is the best weight (in kilograms) for his age?
Regards,
Naning
HIP DYSPLASIA
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wont even guess at his proper weight at this time ..If you can absolutly not able to get him proper treatment as a holding process youcan give him aspirin, ascriptin, bufferd aspirin etc. one tablet for about 65 pound weight twice a day per 65 pounds (approx 30kg)..This is just to help give him some releif, if the stomach gets upset then you will have to lower the dose...this will not cure nor correct the problem but just give releif...if it is as bad as you say,then the only thing you will be able to do is have the hip surgery...either replace ment of the hip or at the worst removal of the femeral head...I think most vets can do this proceedure...it is not as effective as replacement but at least will give the dog releif and he may walk a little bit off but at least it wont hurt any more......wish you luck
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How do you know this is hip dysplasia? Has it been properly identified/diagnosed with xrays?
Does your vet not have a veterinary university teacher or resource in which to consult?
You really need to be careful with the use of NSAIDS and aspirin products, many of which can cause ulcers and GI tract upsets. In a young puppy, prolonged use of NSAIDS could cause alot of problems.....ANY use of these medications must be monitored exclusively by a vet. Do not give aspirin to your puppy under any circumstance without proper instruction and guidance from your vet.
Hip dysplasia is a progressive condition, so treating palliatively is only going to be temporary, ..surgery affords the best chance at correction and recovery, as well as prevention of degenerative joint disease later on. Again, ask your vet to consult with a veterinary teaching facility so you can get a referral to an experienced orthopedic veterinary surgeon.
Personally, I think you are also putting your puppy at risk with the diet you're feeding him. Proper nutrition is crucial for development, bone development, to strengthen immunity against disease, etc. Raw foods cannot be properly formulated to provide adequate nutrition, they carry a risk of parasitic and bacterial infection. Garlic, in high amounts or given in excess can cause heinz body anemia in pets. Lettuce has no nutrient value, is not easily digestible. Some fruits should only be given as occasional treats, neither fruits nor vegetables should ever comprise of the sole or primary source of dietary intake. Do you not have commercially prepared high quality puppy food available?
Does your vet not have a veterinary university teacher or resource in which to consult?
You really need to be careful with the use of NSAIDS and aspirin products, many of which can cause ulcers and GI tract upsets. In a young puppy, prolonged use of NSAIDS could cause alot of problems.....ANY use of these medications must be monitored exclusively by a vet. Do not give aspirin to your puppy under any circumstance without proper instruction and guidance from your vet.
Hip dysplasia is a progressive condition, so treating palliatively is only going to be temporary, ..surgery affords the best chance at correction and recovery, as well as prevention of degenerative joint disease later on. Again, ask your vet to consult with a veterinary teaching facility so you can get a referral to an experienced orthopedic veterinary surgeon.
Personally, I think you are also putting your puppy at risk with the diet you're feeding him. Proper nutrition is crucial for development, bone development, to strengthen immunity against disease, etc. Raw foods cannot be properly formulated to provide adequate nutrition, they carry a risk of parasitic and bacterial infection. Garlic, in high amounts or given in excess can cause heinz body anemia in pets. Lettuce has no nutrient value, is not easily digestible. Some fruits should only be given as occasional treats, neither fruits nor vegetables should ever comprise of the sole or primary source of dietary intake. Do you not have commercially prepared high quality puppy food available?
..........Traci
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We had x-rays done twice so far. First time when Fred was 3 months and 2nd was twoo weeks ago (4.5 months). Fred is now 5 months (born 25th Nov 2005). The radiographs indicates the degree of hip dysplasia is remarkable, this is very obvious by viewing the 1st x-ray compared to 2nd x-rays. The local vet are aware about this joint disorder classifying Fred as having severe bilateral hip dysplasia and no doubt Fred will benefit from femoral head and neck excision surgery, however, the major obstacle is in Indonesia none vet to perform this type of surgery. Nobody.
If I can find somebody obviously I won't at present writing this letter hoping somebody from abroad generously share their thought and experiences and find a way to safe Fred's life.
It is upset me so much because not just that the surgery is out of discussion due to unskilled vets but also that the medicine itself also not available. I have to order via the net (to Australia) to get the rimadyl and cartrophen which am expecting it arive this week.
Ideally I should bring Fred to nearest neighbour country such as Australia. But the cost will be extremely high and at the moment far beyond our budget. I have quoted for usd$1500 for return airfare, ausd$1250 for permit and paper work including quarantine, aud$5000 for the surgeries and related medicines, aud$500 others.
We are not poor but not living in a lavish standard. I care about Fred as much as I care to my own son. I want the best possible solution to help him live longer and healthy.
In my pray and all my wishes is a miracle, a holiday specialist vet come to Bali and we don't mind to provide accomodation during the vist, so that he/she might help to perform the surgery at my vet's clinic. Maybe this is will always just our hope. Not sure what is the answer in the end.
If I can find somebody obviously I won't at present writing this letter hoping somebody from abroad generously share their thought and experiences and find a way to safe Fred's life.
It is upset me so much because not just that the surgery is out of discussion due to unskilled vets but also that the medicine itself also not available. I have to order via the net (to Australia) to get the rimadyl and cartrophen which am expecting it arive this week.
Ideally I should bring Fred to nearest neighbour country such as Australia. But the cost will be extremely high and at the moment far beyond our budget. I have quoted for usd$1500 for return airfare, ausd$1250 for permit and paper work including quarantine, aud$5000 for the surgeries and related medicines, aud$500 others.
We are not poor but not living in a lavish standard. I care about Fred as much as I care to my own son. I want the best possible solution to help him live longer and healthy.
In my pray and all my wishes is a miracle, a holiday specialist vet come to Bali and we don't mind to provide accomodation during the vist, so that he/she might help to perform the surgery at my vet's clinic. Maybe this is will always just our hope. Not sure what is the answer in the end.
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I understand the limitations with the vets, etc, and I feel helpless here because we can only advise.
Did your vet consult with the Indonesian Veterinary Medical Association ( IVMA ) for qualified vets, private practices or other resources? Surely, they could help?
What do other vets in your area do when a surgery is warranted? Don't they have a teaching professor available from a university, visiting, referrals, etc to assist them? Can you ask your vet to consult with the IVMA to find someone who may actually be available and trained to do so? I suppose as a last resort, you could try a fund-raising campaign to travel to a veterinary surgeon, but I think time is if the essence here, you can only treat palliatively for so long before surgery is a neccessity.
Again, you MUST be careful with NSAIDS, do NOT combine them, and do NOT combine NSAIDS with aspirin or their derivatives, this would be a dangerous approach and could be lethal. In a young puppy, you have to be cautious about any of these medications. Are you ordering meds from Austrailia via a vet's prescription?
Did your vet consult with the Indonesian Veterinary Medical Association ( IVMA ) for qualified vets, private practices or other resources? Surely, they could help?
What do other vets in your area do when a surgery is warranted? Don't they have a teaching professor available from a university, visiting, referrals, etc to assist them? Can you ask your vet to consult with the IVMA to find someone who may actually be available and trained to do so? I suppose as a last resort, you could try a fund-raising campaign to travel to a veterinary surgeon, but I think time is if the essence here, you can only treat palliatively for so long before surgery is a neccessity.
Again, you MUST be careful with NSAIDS, do NOT combine them, and do NOT combine NSAIDS with aspirin or their derivatives, this would be a dangerous approach and could be lethal. In a young puppy, you have to be cautious about any of these medications. Are you ordering meds from Austrailia via a vet's prescription?
..........Traci
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Many thanks of your thoughts. I have billed for equivalent of usd$1200 during the past 3 months to ring around myself as well as billed by collect calls from across islands in my contry just to talk, discuss and explore the possiblity to find expert who is able and confident to perform the surgery.
At university, only text book or knowledge but the practical performance of the surgery for hip dysplasia NEVER exist on the vetanarian practice. Teaching guru is only know the knowledge but no real experience in the surgery room. (my english is limited to explain in a correct words - hope you understand what I mean). Its like when you know every single steps by reading and listening of the guidance how to drive but because you never try or experience it, then you are too scare to try to drive a real car on the road by yourself.
My vet is the best on the Bali island because she is the only overseas graduated vet (ex Australia) but she even hands up and rejected to perform the surgery on her own. She well know about the problem and how to fix but just don't know how in real practice. Because she never try and never done it in 18 years since she open her clinic. That is all my frustration all about!
The drugs that I ordered is with the prescription from my vet. If I get these, I am the FIRST client that going this hard and that far to get my puppy fix with all the best I have and I could.
In many cases as I have, the vets in my country will immidiately offer "euthanize (put into sleep)" the patient!!! Belive it it happend to me the first time I brought Fred to see the vet! Otherwise maybe thousands perhaps uncounted of big bread such as labarador and german shephert ended up paralize in young age in this country!
But one thing for sure - I haven't give up just yet for Fred!
At university, only text book or knowledge but the practical performance of the surgery for hip dysplasia NEVER exist on the vetanarian practice. Teaching guru is only know the knowledge but no real experience in the surgery room. (my english is limited to explain in a correct words - hope you understand what I mean). Its like when you know every single steps by reading and listening of the guidance how to drive but because you never try or experience it, then you are too scare to try to drive a real car on the road by yourself.
My vet is the best on the Bali island because she is the only overseas graduated vet (ex Australia) but she even hands up and rejected to perform the surgery on her own. She well know about the problem and how to fix but just don't know how in real practice. Because she never try and never done it in 18 years since she open her clinic. That is all my frustration all about!
The drugs that I ordered is with the prescription from my vet. If I get these, I am the FIRST client that going this hard and that far to get my puppy fix with all the best I have and I could.
In many cases as I have, the vets in my country will immidiately offer "euthanize (put into sleep)" the patient!!! Belive it it happend to me the first time I brought Fred to see the vet! Otherwise maybe thousands perhaps uncounted of big bread such as labarador and german shephert ended up paralize in young age in this country!
But one thing for sure - I haven't give up just yet for Fred!
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Really if it gets to be a very sever painfull situation ask her about femerol head excision..If she has done any surgery at all she should be able to preform this proceedure even though she has never don it...She could practice on animals that were euthanized at the pound....it is not difficullt and it really does give releif...I did my first one with out ever doing it before on a live or dead animal....I know this thought might not go ever well in some circles but if it get toe the poitn that you might have to give up your pet....it is well worth a try....good luck
incidently your English is far better than my typing
incidently your English is far better than my typing
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sorry, butr forgot to add...This proceedure has been done for years in humans before they starteff to us artificial joints
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Have you tried contacting the Bali Street Dog Foundation? As I understand it, they have sponsors and a visiting vet program, maybe they can help you get in touch with a vet surgeon or help you if you have to travel to one.
..........Traci
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Thank you so much for your support.
I jumped straight away to that website you have given and sending them an intro just now. Hope this is a window to a fresh air for Fred & us. Thank you so much, again.
Have a lovely day.
I jumped straight away to that website you have given and sending them an intro just now. Hope this is a window to a fresh air for Fred & us. Thank you so much, again.
Have a lovely day.