I applied the terramycin, which worked for upper inner eye liner. Cocoa also has the inner eye liner on both lower eyes almost meeting her pupils. But, they ARE NOT inflammed. They are white, no pink. Usually her eyes are WIDE OPEN. I think I need to take her to the Vet tomorrow?
She is a five and a 1/2 year-old cat, got moved into my sister's house (with me) with four other cats (been awhile--six months). so the anxiety should be over. I've never seen her lower inner eye liners like this. Not inflammed, but she has been out her my sister's garden. Allergies?
She eats well, is full of vitality (except for yesterday), does all her usual habits, but her "poop" has developed an obnoxious odor. But, she cleans herslef constantly, she I giver her hair ball remedy, which could account for the smelly poop.
It's the eyes that bother me most. Suggestions PLEASE.
Lower inner eye liner
Re: Lower inner eye liner
Are you talking about the third eyelid? If so, don't wait, get her seen by your vet promptly. Since she does have herpesvirus, you need to know that she is also suspceptible to other various infections. Don't apply anything from this point on until you've seen your vet.
Since you allow her outdoors, get a stool sample and have your vet run a fecal on it, could be anything from worms to bacterial infection.
Since you allow her outdoors, get a stool sample and have your vet run a fecal on it, could be anything from worms to bacterial infection.
..........Traci
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Madeline
Re: Lower inner eye liner
Traci,
Yes, her third eyelid. She is on her way to the cat carrier and the vet after everyone's suggestions! Thanks all.
Yes, her third eyelid. She is on her way to the cat carrier and the vet after everyone's suggestions! Thanks all.
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Madeline
Re: Lower inner eye liner
FYI--
Cocoa went to the vet. Third eye, of course, was herpes. Terramycin, she recommended because it worked before. I asked for the L-sine, but she said Cocoa's eyes needed more. Also, turned out Cocoa (not the vet-hahaha) she did NOT have worms, but the vet suspected giardia; apparently difficult to diagnosis. She put Cocoa on antibiotics (or whatever vets call them, for felines) and it seems to be working.
Scratched me playfully, and used her teeth as well (Not the Vet), so, I know Cocoa is doing better. If your kitty has this problem: Smelly, yellow to greenish stool, not hard, but not loose, eats like a little piggy, and sleeps obnoxiosly for a feline 5 years or younger, take her to the vet. Giardia is a tricky kitty disease. And, of course, always have his/her eyes checked.
Thank you all Traci, Lucy, Ehel and others for all your suggestions. Cocoa might not like me for the next ten days, but, hey, she'll forget. She does anyway when she curls up next to my knees at night
What a wonderful website.
Madeline
Cocoa went to the vet. Third eye, of course, was herpes. Terramycin, she recommended because it worked before. I asked for the L-sine, but she said Cocoa's eyes needed more. Also, turned out Cocoa (not the vet-hahaha) she did NOT have worms, but the vet suspected giardia; apparently difficult to diagnosis. She put Cocoa on antibiotics (or whatever vets call them, for felines) and it seems to be working.
Scratched me playfully, and used her teeth as well (Not the Vet), so, I know Cocoa is doing better. If your kitty has this problem: Smelly, yellow to greenish stool, not hard, but not loose, eats like a little piggy, and sleeps obnoxiosly for a feline 5 years or younger, take her to the vet. Giardia is a tricky kitty disease. And, of course, always have his/her eyes checked.
Thank you all Traci, Lucy, Ehel and others for all your suggestions. Cocoa might not like me for the next ten days, but, hey, she'll forget. She does anyway when she curls up next to my knees at night
What a wonderful website.
Madeline
Madeline, it's not that difficult to diagnose giardia, should be able to do so on a fecal/fecal float. If there are other cats in your home, at least one other should be tested as well. If one or more have giardia, probably all of them should be treated. If your vet is uncertain, I would sure try to get a second opinion to at least confirm and ensure you are treating it effectively. (Also, sounds like she didn't want to discuss L-lysine with you, don't know why, most vets have no problem discussing this supplemental approach with owners of herpes kitties)
Incidently, IF this is giardia, it may have been contracted through contaminated water outdoors (like ponds, mud puddles, other unclean sources of water). Albon is usually the preferred choice in treatment. Be sure to clean the litterbox thoroughly on a daily basis until a new fecal tests negative.
Incidently, IF this is giardia, it may have been contracted through contaminated water outdoors (like ponds, mud puddles, other unclean sources of water). Albon is usually the preferred choice in treatment. Be sure to clean the litterbox thoroughly on a daily basis until a new fecal tests negative.
..........Traci
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Madeline
Re: Lower inner eye liner
Traci,
Right about now I am having some serious doubts about this vet. They did a fecal float, which turned up negative, she said, for parasites. She decided to treat for gardia to "be on the safe side". Cocoa is not responding to the medications which are: Amoxil and Metronidazole Suspension (plus the Terramycin, of course).
None of the other four cats are ill and they do not share litter boxes.
I called 9 Lives 1-800 # and asked questions regarding their wet cat food. The gal told me the cans are sealed and treated with extremely high heat to decontaminate.
I have washed any water collection containers outside that can be reached by my five cats. Once again, none of the others show any signs of what Cocoa has and they surely should have by now.
I think it is something other than gardia, but I'm at a loss for what.
Right about now I am having some serious doubts about this vet. They did a fecal float, which turned up negative, she said, for parasites. She decided to treat for gardia to "be on the safe side". Cocoa is not responding to the medications which are: Amoxil and Metronidazole Suspension (plus the Terramycin, of course).
None of the other four cats are ill and they do not share litter boxes.
I called 9 Lives 1-800 # and asked questions regarding their wet cat food. The gal told me the cans are sealed and treated with extremely high heat to decontaminate.
I have washed any water collection containers outside that can be reached by my five cats. Once again, none of the others show any signs of what Cocoa has and they surely should have by now.
I think it is something other than gardia, but I'm at a loss for what.
Re: Lower inner eye liner
Let's sort of start from the beginning....when exactly did the stools become more odorous? Before or after you let her outside/into the garden?
If before, you might contribute it to food, especially if you've recently switched her food or just started feeding her canned food (canned can cause a more odorous stool as opposed to dry, can also cause soft stools)
If after, it's entirely possible that giardia could still be a concern. It could also be something she ate outside, like a mouse, a plant leaf, grass, etc. It won't hurt her to treat with the metronidazole for a week or so....so after the course of metronidazole is up, if you can afford it, maybe get another fecal done to rule out giardia for certain. Giardia usually tends to cause a discolored stool, soft and sometimes diarhhea, so if the stools persist like this past one week or so, then it really would be feasible to get another fecal to rule out other causes. It also won't hurt to continue the course of antibiotics in the event she may have a slight GI bacterial infection. Finish the course and then followup with your vet to see what may need to be done at that time. Otherwise, if the stools clear up, it might be chalked up to a slight GI tract infection, in which no other treatment would be necessary.
If you think it's possible the food is the culprit, and if you must feed her canned for whatever reason, maybe change it to another brand, such as Iams, Purina, etc. Ideally, she might do better on dry food. If her stools are soft at this point, ensure she is getting plenty of water on a daily basis to ward off dehydration that can result from diarrhea.
If before, you might contribute it to food, especially if you've recently switched her food or just started feeding her canned food (canned can cause a more odorous stool as opposed to dry, can also cause soft stools)
If after, it's entirely possible that giardia could still be a concern. It could also be something she ate outside, like a mouse, a plant leaf, grass, etc. It won't hurt her to treat with the metronidazole for a week or so....so after the course of metronidazole is up, if you can afford it, maybe get another fecal done to rule out giardia for certain. Giardia usually tends to cause a discolored stool, soft and sometimes diarhhea, so if the stools persist like this past one week or so, then it really would be feasible to get another fecal to rule out other causes. It also won't hurt to continue the course of antibiotics in the event she may have a slight GI bacterial infection. Finish the course and then followup with your vet to see what may need to be done at that time. Otherwise, if the stools clear up, it might be chalked up to a slight GI tract infection, in which no other treatment would be necessary.
If you think it's possible the food is the culprit, and if you must feed her canned for whatever reason, maybe change it to another brand, such as Iams, Purina, etc. Ideally, she might do better on dry food. If her stools are soft at this point, ensure she is getting plenty of water on a daily basis to ward off dehydration that can result from diarrhea.
..........Traci
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Madeline
Re: Lower inner eye liner
Traci,
The stools became odorous approximately three weeks ago, somewhat runny two weeks ago and yellowish one week ago. She has always eaten wet canned food--I was just searching for information when I called 9 Lives, wondering if perhaps they had a "bad batch".
Her eye problem is beginning to clear up with the exception of the third eye, as you call it. It has widened even more into the center of her eyes (pupil?) That really concerns me. I can't understand why that has worsened.
She has been going in and out doors for three years, but has only been in this area for six months. She just within the last month started with all the digestive problem and it progressed quickly.
Does that help?
The stools became odorous approximately three weeks ago, somewhat runny two weeks ago and yellowish one week ago. She has always eaten wet canned food--I was just searching for information when I called 9 Lives, wondering if perhaps they had a "bad batch".
Her eye problem is beginning to clear up with the exception of the third eye, as you call it. It has widened even more into the center of her eyes (pupil?) That really concerns me. I can't understand why that has worsened.
She has been going in and out doors for three years, but has only been in this area for six months. She just within the last month started with all the digestive problem and it progressed quickly.
Does that help?
Re: Lower inner eye liner
Well, you're right to be concerned about the eye problem. When the third eyelid has extended half way or more, you know this is a definate sign of illness, most often associated with lethargy that is caused by some internal illness. Not knowing what your vet's general assessment comments were on Cocoa's exam, I don't know what she's thinking (were Cocoa's vitals normal? Did your vet say her exam was otherwise normal or was she concerned about other things? dehydration? weight loss, etc?). In a case like this, since she is already slightly immunocompromised with herpesvirus, I would suggest a baseline blood profile to make sure nothing else has been overlooked. But, I know your expenses are limited at this point in time, maybe at least discuss with your vet breaking them down somewhat, maybe kidney and liver function at least or a CBC to rule out infection.
You can still continue the course of Metronidazole and the antibiotics, and ask your vet about giving her a teaspoon or so a day of plain white yogurt to aid the GI tract, and do watch for any signs of tapeworms or roundworms in the event they may be present yet (one fecal may not always be enough to diagnose worms)
Watch her eating habits, her attitude, her routine, and if she seems ill in any other way (lethargy, fever, vomiting, painful in abdomen area, withdrawal, weight loss, dehydration), don't hesitate in the least to get her back in promptly.
Probably unrelated, but is Cocoa current on her vaccinations? Did your vet also rule out calicivirus or chlamydia? If not, maybe give her a quick phone call and ask her about that.
Again, since she's allowed outdoors, I wouldn't want to risk something in the outside environment she could be getting into, including birds and mice, sources of worms, unsafe plants or fertilizers, etc. For this reason, I'd suggest keeping her indoors only until you've pinpointed the problem with your vet. (would keep her indoors only anyway for her safety)
Keep in contact with your vet and update her immediately if anything changes or worsens. If you are not happy with your vet's approach, by all means, see another one if you can.
You can still continue the course of Metronidazole and the antibiotics, and ask your vet about giving her a teaspoon or so a day of plain white yogurt to aid the GI tract, and do watch for any signs of tapeworms or roundworms in the event they may be present yet (one fecal may not always be enough to diagnose worms)
Watch her eating habits, her attitude, her routine, and if she seems ill in any other way (lethargy, fever, vomiting, painful in abdomen area, withdrawal, weight loss, dehydration), don't hesitate in the least to get her back in promptly.
Probably unrelated, but is Cocoa current on her vaccinations? Did your vet also rule out calicivirus or chlamydia? If not, maybe give her a quick phone call and ask her about that.
Again, since she's allowed outdoors, I wouldn't want to risk something in the outside environment she could be getting into, including birds and mice, sources of worms, unsafe plants or fertilizers, etc. For this reason, I'd suggest keeping her indoors only until you've pinpointed the problem with your vet. (would keep her indoors only anyway for her safety)
Keep in contact with your vet and update her immediately if anything changes or worsens. If you are not happy with your vet's approach, by all means, see another one if you can.
..........Traci