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Crazy cat help :(

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We're having problems with one of our cats... to the point where we no longer know what to do with her. She's about 7 years old and we've raised her since she was a kitten. She was found in an abandoned building which might have something to do with her "odd" personality..

Overall she is a very affectionate cat and if allowed, would sit in your lap and let you pet her forever. The problem is she's getting more and more territorial. She has been an indoor cat but has been outside a few times. What's happened recently is neighbor cats come into the yard / driveway and if the front door is open (where she can see through the glass screen door) she gets *extremely* agitated. A few months ago this happened and I went to close the door... she attacked my leg... not playfully but completely attacked it, claws and all in a frenzy of aggression...

Yesterday it happened again... this time it was my wife and the same thing happened. Another cat was outside (not even that close) and ours was growling at it. She went to close the door and our cat attacked her legs leaving deep claw marks and long bloody scratches, THEN proceeded to attack our other cat.. drawing blood there as well.

We have kids... if our 3 year old daughter had gotten into the "line of fire" it could easily have been her chest and face.

We have no idea what to do with her... we have a hard time justifying keeping her as we fear of our children's safety. She is fat and has other "issues" as well that make giving her away difficult. I wouldn't feel comfortable giving her to a household with kids. If we brought into a shelter or the humane society she would not be adopted as she freaks out at the sight / smell of other animals and goes into this attack mode. It's so bad that we have to tranqulize her to bring her in for shots... mandated by the clinic where they refuse to see her otherwise.

We have an appointment to bring her in... An option is to have her put down.. or... the visit can also be used as a consultation. Having her put down would break my heart. While not my favorite cat, I don't feel her issues should be a death sentence..... but we're at a loss as to what to do as we can not live in fear...

Help / suggestions ??? :cry:
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Re: Crazy cat help :(

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The solution is simple, it's a simple as it sounds.

Do NOT leave the door open for her to see neighborhood cats outside the door. This will aggrivate ANY cat, and any cat will display the behavior you described, it's a natural instinct. Yes, she is protecting her territory/turf and if anyone is in her way (that means you or the wife, the other cat, etc), she WILL be agressive. It doesn't mean she is obviously aware she is doing this to you, it means this is her territorial instinct and you cannot change that other than not providing the access for her to see/smell/touch other cats outside the door.

And, Indoors ONLY for her.

There is absolutely no need to even consider euthanasia. None, whatsoever.
c4ttr wrote:She is fat and has other "issues" as well that make giving her away difficult.
What do you mean, she's fat? Have you addressed that with your vet? A competent vet who will take this issue seriously and address her health? Overweight pets suffer serious health consequences, amoung them heart disease, diabetes, liver disease, arthritis, GI tract issues, etc. Weight management can be done appropriately and safetly with a competent and comitted vet, please see a new vet immediately to address her weight. If she were of ideal weight, she would be much happier, healthier, and more than likely, more active and secure in her environment.

What other "issues" does she have? Healthwise? You need to address this with a vet. Any cat over the age of 7 should have bloodwork/urinalysis/thyroid function testing done yearly. It's probably time to have this done for her.

Most cats do NOT require tranquilizing in order to examine them. I'd strongly suggest finding a new vet, pronto.
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Re: Crazy cat help :(

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Traci,

Thanks for the response. I know it seems like an easy fix, but it's not exclusively a front door issue. There are several windows that she looks out as well... I understand what you're saying though and in the interim we obviously will..

That said... it's gotten to the point that it wasn't just a reaction, it was an attack. She mildly had attacked me before but my wife has bite marks and deep scratches on both legs.. one is almost 6" long.

Yes, she is overweight... It's my own fault... we are regulating their diets to get them back on track. As far as the vet, we take them to the best we could find. It's a cat clinic. That's all they do. When we bring her in, she behaves like a cornered wild animal. She is not simply upset, she will actually attack. Last time it took myself and 2 of their staff to give her 2 shots and there was no way to do a complete exam.... we'll hope for a better time as she's going in on Wednesday.

As for her other "quirks"
- Fur on her back matts up. She has to be constantly groomed so it won't knot up... if it does it's an irritant and with her that's a bad thing..
- She's lactose intolerant...lol... sorry but that's an odd thing in a cat. If she drinks / eats any milk products she throws up.
- She'll eat plastic bags, bows, plants and especially loves ribbon... none of this can be kept within her reach... and obviously tinsel is non-existant in our household.

Other than that and her aggression issues, she's pretty "normal"..
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I absolutely agree with Traci, and also think there are other issues underlying her behavior. Your cat might be in chronic pain - I'm sorry for asking this question, but is she afraid of your wife? Has she been disciplined inappropriately in the past? What happened to this kitty in the past and has she suffered abuse and trauma?

Many cats are lactose intolerant and have vomiting or diarreah from cow's milk. Cats should not have milk, IMO, only water. I urge you to get a second opinion. Cats are very emotional animals. If she has matts on her back it could be a problem like ezcema or worse, kidney issues. Eating objects as you have described is probably an indication that she's got issues that need addressing, physical (like diet) or phsycological - only a good feline vet will be able to diagnose. I hope your kitty recovers and best of luck to you and the cat. EVERY CAT IS WORTH SAVING!
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Let me explain further. ANY cat who is viewing another cat outside who is a stray, neighbor's cat, or a feral or any cat they are not familiar with, will react if you or another pet approach them at the wrong time. The solution is to coax kitty away from the door/windows, and divert her attention to something more pleasant. (toys, chasing a toy, a treat etc).

If she's overweight, she cannot groom herself properly, this is why she is developing mats. Likewise, if she is overweight, you must get her rechecked on a frequent basis to rule out underlying health problems I noted earlier. She's 7 years old and if the weight goes unaddressed, she is at increased risk for any of these serious health issues. A competent and comitted vet would have told you right away that she needed to be on a weight management program, and it's up to YOU to comply fully with the vet's advice, advice on food, feeding amounts, type of food, initiating exercise in small amounts, following up with the vet for weight checks and changes in diet when necessary. This all has to be done slowly and extremely cautiously, because if too much weight is lost too soon, the risk for diabetes, kidney disease, liver disease are increased significantly. Buckle down and follow your vet's direction explicitly. He will do a Body Condition Score evaluation on her and recommend the appropriate diet and amounts for her, but you have to followup with rechecks for her!

Overweight pets also are generally unhealthy and unhappy, inactive and stress easily. This could be causing the attack-mode behavior when concerning approaching her when she's pre-occupied with seeing a cat outdoors. This would apply to anything in her normal everyday routine, so you have to commit to changing that....first step is a total health checkup with the vet and getting her on an appropriate weight management program, and your ultimate compliance.

DO not give milk to her, nor any other milk or dairy products. The majority of cats are lactose intolerant, and will suffer either diarrhea or constipation, or both. This is unhealthy for the cat, and can be detrimental to her health. If your vet puts her on a weight management program, you must follow it exactly and do NOT give anything outside of the prescribed diet, including treats (unless your vet suggests something specific), nor any human foods, etc. Human foods/scraps should never be given to cats.

Please, for her sake and the sake of all pets in the home, CAT-PROOF your home, just as you would a small toddler. Keep plastic bags, bows, plants, ribbon, strings, thread, holiday decorations, cords, electric cords/wires and things out of their reach at all times. You can't expect her to know these things are dangerous for her, it's up to YOU to keep these away from her at all times, they are NOT to ever be used for toys, ever. Most plants are toxic to cats, keep them in another room kitty cannot access, or better yet don't have them, the risk of ingestion is too high.

Get her to a competent vet ASAP and get the weight addressed, and get bloodwork done on her to determine her vital organ function and overall health status. Chances are, when she is healthier and happier, her behavior will improve greatly. In the meantime, do not approach her when she's watching cats through the door/window, but simply coax her away by diverting her attention to something else she enjoys, close the door. Be consistent, she will then learn that fretting over the view outside isn't worth stressing over. Teach and instruct your children to do the same and not approach her directly. All family members should have a part in this, and help her to be healthier, happier, less stressed, etc.

As for the fractious behavior at the vet's, try making her experience more calm, pay attention to her needs. Make the appointment for a time in the day when the clinic is less likely to be busy, ask for the first appointment in the morning, or right after the clinic's lunch hour. Taking her in the middle of the day in a busy clinic, with several other pets in the waiting area is stressful for a fractious cat. Request to be present for any procedure that doesn't require anesthesia or any other involved procedure. Your presence, if she trusts you, will help her to be calmer and less afraid. Instruct the staff she is fractious, but that you expect them to be careful and gentle with her. Frankly, a good vet will have the skill to calmly and gently restrain a fractious cat without compounding the situation, and without the use of tranquilizers or anesthetics. Please remember that frequent use of these agents are not good for the cat, and I hope the vet has never suggested this. You can also help her to be more calm at home before the appointment....for example, don't put her in her carrier when the schedule at home is hectic, etc. Again, pay attention to her and her needs, accomodate her needs more, pamper her, and the fractious behavior may lessen in time. It's also important that the vet visit is as stress-free as possible, since if the vet and the staff have to wrestle with her or poke her with needles in a hectic, stressful, noisy, busy environment and they can't do their job with compassion and gentleness then is it any wonder she hates the vet! The absolute worst thing you can do is involve yourself, a vet and two staff members to hold down a cat for a shot. She now associates the vet, and anyone IN the clinic, as well as you, with a bad experience. Sounds like the vet is a fraidy cat, and the staff aren't skilled enough to handle it. Is there another vet, or an exceptionally trained tech at the clinic?
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Re: Crazy cat help :(

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I definently don't believe she's beyond help and not looking to do anything drastic. Our main focus at this point is keeping the kids safe if she does this again and if we don't feel we can accomplish this (pending further work and vet consults), to find her a home that can.

We've definently never done anything to make her dislike us. The biggest thing might be lack of attention.. or the "get off the counter" when she's "exploring". I don't know how engrained "childhood experiences" become in a cat or how much it affected her personaluty but the first few months of her life were definently traumatic. She was found starving in an abandoned building and we have no idea what had happened prior.

While my wife isn't terribly happy with her because of the injuries, the cat absolutely loves my wife. She follows her around looking for attention and most of the time gets it. Since the "incident" it seems like she's following my wife around and nuzzling her trying to apologize.

We have made the house as "cat proof" as possible. We have no plants anymore. No bows on presents.. :\ Everything with ribbon gets put up. Limiting her access to plastic bags is difficult in this plastic world we live in.. but we do our best. Neither of our cats really get milk. Occasionally the other will get to lick the film from a cereal bowl but definently no bowls of milk or anything.

The vet issue is something new to me as well. I've never had to do that with any cat I've ever owned. We picked the clinic because it's supposed to be the best in the area. I had never heard of a tranq and we've only done it at their request. I can only hope she does better this time and we can make it a "reasonable" experience. I'll try and let you know how it goes and what the vet says.
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