No, don't give any vitamin injections, there are risks by doing so by injections.
Are the eggs store-bought or farm raised? Are you sure they are safe? Sometimes eggs can be contaminated depending on the environment.
Please be sure you are cooking them completely and no part of the egg is raw before feeding.
I don't know about the Whiska's, it depends on where it was manufactured exactly, handling practices, shipping practices and whether the products were safely handled and stored in proper temperature environment. Do check to make sure it isn't expired. Certain ingredients in the food might also have been changed unbeknownst to you so that could also be a concern if she is reacting to an ingredient. The fact that she keeps vomiting after feeding it, is pretty much obvious she isn't tolerating it.
The dilation of the pupils shouldn't be occuring at all with an injectable antibiotic unless she is having a reaction to it. Keep a close eye on her for the next 24-48 hours for any of the signs I mentioned in my previous post. It's also possible the other injection he gave for the diarrhea is culprit, sure would like to know what that was!!
Please try to get bloodwork done, and seriously consider the possibility of pancreatitis.
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..........Traci
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Ok, no vitamin injection. I actually have a vitamin paste here which my mum sent from Germany, name is Gimpet.
I have no idea where the eggs are from, these kind of things are not well documented here. Same with the Whiskas. I decided not to give her Whiskas at all from now on. When she eats chicken, egg, tuna or the other dry food Chow Cat, it all stays in. The vitamin paste also doesn't seem to pose any problems. So these things will be her diet for the time being.
She is totally normal today. Her eyes are normal, she is active and alert and has eaten. No stool yet.
I will ask the vet later what else he injected yesterday.
She is the most difficult of my pets to treat, very nervous animal. Remember several years ago her ongoing bladder infections? She seems to always have drawn out, confusing, recurring illnesses, and inbetween years without any problems.
I have no idea where the eggs are from, these kind of things are not well documented here. Same with the Whiskas. I decided not to give her Whiskas at all from now on. When she eats chicken, egg, tuna or the other dry food Chow Cat, it all stays in. The vitamin paste also doesn't seem to pose any problems. So these things will be her diet for the time being.
She is totally normal today. Her eyes are normal, she is active and alert and has eaten. No stool yet.
I will ask the vet later what else he injected yesterday.
That's what my vet also said on the phone yesterday. He was surprised. He said, if anything one would expect contracted pupils but not dilated. He thought maybe it was just from fear and stress. And she sure was very stressed out after the vet visit. She was even scared of me.The dilation of the pupils shouldn't be occuring at all with an injectable antibiotic
She is the most difficult of my pets to treat, very nervous animal. Remember several years ago her ongoing bladder infections? She seems to always have drawn out, confusing, recurring illnesses, and inbetween years without any problems.
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We just got back from the vet.
He gave cefotaxime 1.5 ml (same as yesterday) but didnt give the other injection he gave yesterday, which was called Hydropin or something like that. He explained it's so the body doesn't lose more fluids.
He said she is sliiightly dehydrated and wanted to give her some fluids subcutaniously. But first he injected the antibiotica and while doing that she jerked so violently and suddenly that the needle bent! My husband then was against giving her anymore needles (fluids) today.
So we are back home and I'm watching if her eyes again dilate ... so far she's ok.
He gave cefotaxime 1.5 ml (same as yesterday) but didnt give the other injection he gave yesterday, which was called Hydropin or something like that. He explained it's so the body doesn't lose more fluids.
He said she is sliiightly dehydrated and wanted to give her some fluids subcutaniously. But first he injected the antibiotica and while doing that she jerked so violently and suddenly that the needle bent! My husband then was against giving her anymore needles (fluids) today.
So we are back home and I'm watching if her eyes again dilate ... so far she's ok.
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Ash, you need to ask why the vet has given TWO antibiotic injections, there shouldn't be any reason for TWO injections only a day or two apart, unless it was a penicillin-type injection in which this is used cautiously and judiciously for very specific infections only. Be advised that some pets, just like humans, can have serious allergic reactions to penicillin-based antibiotics.
Again, he needs to be IDENTIFYING properly, the specific bacteria instead of choosing at will any antibiotic.
Is he paying attention to the size of needles he's using? Although any injection containing medicine can sting and hurt, giving sub-q fluids is not necessarily painful if done correctly. You need to understand the importance of sub-q fluids when dehydration is occuring. Each time she vomits and each time she has prolonged soft stools and diarrhea, she loses vital electrolytes and fluids from her body,...those electrolytes must be replaced by sub-q fluids (or IV fluids in serious cases) because she can't manufacture them on her own. Untreated dehydration can lead to serious effects on the liver and kidney and other vital organs.
Again, he needs to be IDENTIFYING properly, the specific bacteria instead of choosing at will any antibiotic.
Is he paying attention to the size of needles he's using? Although any injection containing medicine can sting and hurt, giving sub-q fluids is not necessarily painful if done correctly. You need to understand the importance of sub-q fluids when dehydration is occuring. Each time she vomits and each time she has prolonged soft stools and diarrhea, she loses vital electrolytes and fluids from her body,...those electrolytes must be replaced by sub-q fluids (or IV fluids in serious cases) because she can't manufacture them on her own. Untreated dehydration can lead to serious effects on the liver and kidney and other vital organs.
..........Traci
No, this one is given every 24 hours. It's always done like this here with antibiotic injections. Antibiotic shots that last 3 days are not known here, for whatever reason.Ash, you need to ask why the vet has given TWO antibiotic injections, there shouldn't be any reason for TWO injections only a day or two apart
Re the needles, no, he had no problems whatsoever last winter giving Tommy sub-q fluids, this is solely Noodle who won't hold still.
Noodle is ok tonight, no dilated pupils. She ate and drank. No stool yet and no vomiting!
Will keep you updated! Thanks Traci!
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He's going by the stool cultures we did last week (showed e coli and salmonella), which also tested the different antibiotics.he needs to be IDENTIFYING properly, the specific bacteria instead of choosing at will any antibiotic.
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You never said before that salmonella was detected. This is a new problem. And the problem is that sometimes when antibiotics or repeated antibiotics are given, it messes with the natural flora (good bacteria) in the GI tract and the antibiotics just make it worse.
I'd re-culture the stool and see if both e-coli and salmonella are still present. If the e-coli is absent, then he should be focusing on the salmonella. The problem with salmonella is that in a compromised cat, it can cause sepsis (internal infection) and treating it is much much much more difficult.
She needs fluids, Ash, sub-q fluids. You and hubby are going to have to come up with a method to gently restrain her so that fluids can be given, fluids are also a crucial part of treating salmonella. Due to her age and compromised immune system, you can't afford NOT to get her fluids. Fluids are also needed to replenish electrolytes she has already lost, I can't stress enough how important fluids are!
Again, make darn sure whatever foods you're cooking for her are cooked COMPLETELY, since undercooked meat and eggs CAN cause salmonella. Also, if she catches birds in the garden, she can get salmonella that way too. It is also zoonotic, meaning you can get it from handling her feces.
I would suggest cooking some WHITE chicken (with NO fat or skin attached), fully cooked, then adding cooked white rice, mixing it together and feeding for a day or two, to see if she can get her stools formed again. Do NOT add any cooked egg at this point. Do NOT add any salt, spices or anything else to the chicken and rice. Make sure she has plenty of access to fresh clean water, and prohibit her from drinking any outdoor water sources.
Ideally, the bloodwork needs to be done to evaluate her organ function and her degree of dehydration/electrolyte imbalance etc.
I'd re-culture the stool and see if both e-coli and salmonella are still present. If the e-coli is absent, then he should be focusing on the salmonella. The problem with salmonella is that in a compromised cat, it can cause sepsis (internal infection) and treating it is much much much more difficult.
She needs fluids, Ash, sub-q fluids. You and hubby are going to have to come up with a method to gently restrain her so that fluids can be given, fluids are also a crucial part of treating salmonella. Due to her age and compromised immune system, you can't afford NOT to get her fluids. Fluids are also needed to replenish electrolytes she has already lost, I can't stress enough how important fluids are!
Again, make darn sure whatever foods you're cooking for her are cooked COMPLETELY, since undercooked meat and eggs CAN cause salmonella. Also, if she catches birds in the garden, she can get salmonella that way too. It is also zoonotic, meaning you can get it from handling her feces.
I would suggest cooking some WHITE chicken (with NO fat or skin attached), fully cooked, then adding cooked white rice, mixing it together and feeding for a day or two, to see if she can get her stools formed again. Do NOT add any cooked egg at this point. Do NOT add any salt, spices or anything else to the chicken and rice. Make sure she has plenty of access to fresh clean water, and prohibit her from drinking any outdoor water sources.
Ideally, the bloodwork needs to be done to evaluate her organ function and her degree of dehydration/electrolyte imbalance etc.
..........Traci
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Yes, Traci on the 13th on page 2 I wrote that e coli and salmonella was found.
Yesterday her stool was formed, so we're getting somewhere at last. Today she is very well, she's eating and drinking and behaves very normal.
I just hope it stays that way! If not we will retest the stool and do the bloodwork.
Be assured that I always boil chicken very long, and I ONLY use filet pieces, no bones, no skin, no salt, in fact nothing but chicken boiled in water. She won't touch rice, otherwise I would have tried that.
She doesn't catch birds, and now that the monsoons have stopped there are no water puddles outside.
As for the fluids - the last time with watery stool was last Sunday. The last time mushy stool was Tuesday, last vomiting was also Tuesday. So I don't think that at this point I want to put her through the additional stress of injecting fluids. She is so stressed out from the antibiotica needle already.
But I will ask the vet again today to check for dehydration.
Yesterday her stool was formed, so we're getting somewhere at last. Today she is very well, she's eating and drinking and behaves very normal.
I just hope it stays that way! If not we will retest the stool and do the bloodwork.
Be assured that I always boil chicken very long, and I ONLY use filet pieces, no bones, no skin, no salt, in fact nothing but chicken boiled in water. She won't touch rice, otherwise I would have tried that.
She doesn't catch birds, and now that the monsoons have stopped there are no water puddles outside.
As for the fluids - the last time with watery stool was last Sunday. The last time mushy stool was Tuesday, last vomiting was also Tuesday. So I don't think that at this point I want to put her through the additional stress of injecting fluids. She is so stressed out from the antibiotica needle already.
But I will ask the vet again today to check for dehydration.