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I live in India and am a cat lover. Please take some time out and read this, which is pretty long. Unfortunately, cats are considered dispensable here and vets are only experienced in the care of cattle and pedigree dogs and also do not vaccinate cats here. We had a total of seven cats. We have a 6-year-old stray female cat (BeadyWhite) who adopted us when she was a kitten. Unfortunately, my home only has a fence around it and the cats get out on the roads and other gardens since our house has plenty of windows and the cats like to hunt in the garden and around it.

BeadyWhite’s previous litter of two kittens was 10 months old. In the meantime she had another litter of three kittens in April 2005. Another stray kitten of roughly the same size also adopted us when this second batch of kittens was about two months old.

On July 6, 2005, one of the 10-month-olds named simply “White,” came home at night with a bleeding cut on his paw to which we applied antibiotic powder. It seemed to heal the next day but on July 8, 2005 we found him lethargic and tottering around on unsteady legs and although he was able to walk and miaow, he couldn’t swallow even water and vomited clear bright yellow frothy fluid a few times. Since this is India and we have had a number of cats over the last 20 years all of whom have been healthy, we did not think of taking him to a vet but the next morning (remember they were free to wander in and out of the house through the windows) we found him sitting near the kitchen drain in a damp spot, with half closed eyes with dilated pupils and getting progressively weaker and he was dead by afternoon. He also had drooled a lot, being unable to swallow even his own saliva.

On July 13, 2005, one of the 3-month-old kittens developed the exact same symptoms and died on July 15, 2005, and his two little brothers died in quick succession with the same symptoms. The smallest of them died within hours of developing the yellow vomiting, lethargy, dilated pupils, and drooling, and the third one died on July 17, 2005. They also had one other symptom, they were unable to sleep or curl up but sat the entire 1-1/2 days with their front paws straight out and their tail straight out behind them, being unable to move it, and with half open eyes with dilated pupils even in bright sunlight. They did not have diarrhea.

Here I should mention that the stray kitten (Tiger) who had adopted us, was White’s close pal and shared a dish with him but the little three who never went near White were the next to die.

We thought nothing more would happen, when on July 20, 2005, Tiger developed the same symptoms and we knew he would die the next afternoon so we took him to a vet who said it was probably from eating a poisoned rat (who might have eaten rat poison) and gave the poor little kitten an antibiotic shot and told us to feed him lots of fluids by syringe, although I did read on the internet that vitamin K was the antidote for rat poison. But he just could not swallow even a drop of water and it kept dribbling down the sides of his mouth. He died as we had dreaded the next afternoon on July 21, 2005, and only the last kitten from the earlier 10-month-olds was alive when he too got the ominous symptoms on July 23, 2005 and we took him to a different vet this time who said he had a viral infection of the liver and gave him an antiemetic and an antibiotic shot. But nothing helped and he seemed to be in great pain, miaowing mournfully all day and we could not do anything to help him and he died on July 24, 2005. It was terribly traumatic for me and my family to watch all these kittens suffer so much and die and not being able to help them in any way, and we still miss them terribly.

I went over all cat diseases on all the sites I could find but no disease matched the rapidity of death after onset of symptoms.

Please tell me what disease this could be or if not, if it could be rat poison although the little kittens who were only 3 months old didn’t eat much outside stuff since they were let out into the garden only a few hours each day and were confined to the house the rest of the time.

All the cats developed the same symptoms and they were all male. Surprisingly, BeadyWhite survived all this but we are afraid for her.

Can somebody please answer these questions?

1. Can we adopt any more cats/kittens since this is a residential area and there are a lot of homeless cats?
2. What if they develop the same symptoms? We just cannot bear to see them suffer and die.
3. What about BeadyWhite? She shared rats and mice with all the other cats but why wasn’t she affected?
4. Could it be some really toxic rat poison not available in the West, which kills rats immediately but takes 1-1/2 days to kill cats which eat the poisoned rats? A farmer told us they use some lethal crystals, to kill the rats in their fields, which turn food black on being mixed with it but are odorless to rats.

If you have had the patience to read through this, please post a reply sooon. :(
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Hopefully Traci will be along shortly to post a response with her medical and technical expertise.

The only advice I can give you is that if you value BeadyWhite like you say you do, keep her indoors only. As you have learned first hand, the dangers of cats being outside are too great. It is truly a traumatic experience that you have just suffered and I am sorry for that; especially since you can't get an answer or exact diagnosis. Please consider having BeadyWhite spayed as well to prolong her life and health as well as help control the cat population in your area.
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Hello Nan! I'm very very sad to read your post! I also live in India and I can fully understand what you say about the vets' attitude and absence of experience with cats. I have changed vets so many times over the last 8 years to find a better one ... but they are all not very good. I have now found a female vet who is at least open to me researching feline diseases and treatments etc on the Internet and basically teaching her (with a lot of help from this cathelp website) and informing her about many topics regarding cats. The male vets I have known so far were all too proud to let me question them/correct them/advice them, after all I'm not a vet and I'm a woman, who am I to question them? I just had a vet prescribing the dose of antibiotics that would be appropriate for a 20 kg dog for one of my cats! When I researched the correct dose and informed him he got angry with me. Well, I could go on and on, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. All you can do is find a more humble vet who acknowledges his/her lack in understanding of cats and is willing to learn. And you will have to research many things yourself, I always do that now before administering anything to my cats. This site has been of invaluable help for me, hope you stick around here too! Whereabouts in India are you?

As for your cats - may they all be peaceful now! - it sounds very much like poisoning to me. (Could it be that a neighbour of yours didn't like them and set out to kill them one by one?) I would not let BeadyWhite out anymore if I were you, although I know this is difficult in India, since this is a country where doors and windows are open most of the year, and people spend a lot of time outdoors, because of the heat. Is it possible you could install mosquito screens in front of your windows? That's what we have now, because I also lost four cats to outdoor life, and I don't want to lose my remaining two as well! You could also set out - if you have the money - to enclose part of your garden with a high wire fence which is bent inwards at the top. That way you cats can't run outside of your garden. It has to be cemented securely into the ground.

One thing though you are not correct in. You say "vets ... also do not vaccinate cats here". Maybe you live in a rural area, because I have been vaccinating my cats ever since they were little for Rabies and also for other cat diseases (the vaccine is called Nobivat Tricat and covers several feline diseases).

As for your question why BeadyWhite wasn't affected. Maybe she's strong or was just lucky? I wouldn't chance it anyway and keep her inside until you find a solution.

Inthe meantime you should set out to find a vet who has more experience with cats. Hopefully you find a bettr one in your area. If you ever see these symptoms your cats had again in another cat, rush it IMMEDIATELY to your vet. Do not wait a day or two as you have done in the past. With immediate, aggressive treatment they might pull through. I once found a street dog poisoned by strichnin (here where I live the government sometimes poisons streetdogs), and I called the vet. I took her to my house and she was on a drip and antibiotics for hours - and she pulled through. Even with strong lethal poisons there IS a chance of survival if treatment is started immediately.

But maybe Traci will be able to pinpoint more accurately what she thinks your cats suffered from, when she comes online. Maybe it wasn't poison.

Also, have considered that your cats might have gotten into something INSIDE your house? Did your Aya spill toilet cleaner, are you using ant/cockroaches powder, did you use this NOTIX flea powder on them, or RIDD solution, or anything like that? You might also have a poisonous plant in your garden ... there are many possibilties besides rat poison. Think hard about these possibilties and ask everyone you live with and neighbours that might sometimes let the cats into their homes.
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Nan wrote:On July 6, 2005, one of the 10-month-olds named simply “White,” came home at night with a bleeding cut on his paw to which we applied antibiotic powder. It seemed to heal the next day but on July 8, 2005 we found him lethargic and tottering around on unsteady legs and although he was able to walk and miaow, he couldn’t swallow even water and vomited clear bright yellow frothy fluid a few times. Since this is India and we have had a number of cats over the last 20 years all of whom have been healthy, we did not think of taking him to a vet but the next morning (remember they were free to wander in and out of the house through the windows) we found him sitting near the kitchen drain in a damp spot, with half closed eyes with dilated pupils and getting progressively weaker and he was dead by afternoon. He also had drooled a lot, being unable to swallow even his own saliva.
Actually, since yours were not vaccinated for rabies, it might have been that disease. What you describe sounds like the last paralytic stage of rabies. I also found this:
"There is also a "dumb" form of the disease in which the animal is lethargic, weak in one or more limbs, and unable to raise its head or make sounds because its throat and neck muscles are paralyzed. In both kinds of animal rabies, death occurs a few days after symptoms appear, usually from respiratory failure."

The 'cut' on White's paw might have been a bite from a rat or bat, both of which can carry the rabies virus.

I would be a good idea to go and get BeadyWhite vaccinated for Rabies immediatley.

And yourself too. If this was rabies, you yourself are at risk!
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Dear Ash,

I read your reply with great interest, but the second post about rabies really scared me. All of us in the house did get a scratch or two from the little kittens while playing with them, right up to a week before they caught the mystery illness. I do hope it is not rabies because if it is, I suppose it is too late for us even if we do get the vaccination now.

But the last cat was miaowing continuously mournfully right up until the time he died and could walk around too with staggering steps.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

I hope Traci replies soon.
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Please do everything you can toward finding a more experienced vet, one who is familiar with cats.

The symptoms could be anything from any of the feline infectious diseases, to poisoning/toxicity, and the vet you saw should have offered a necropsy on at least one of the kittens to determine the cause of death. This would have been the most prudent thing to do, to determine how to protect the remaining litter and for your own safety as well.

Rabies is a strong possibility, but only a necropsy can confirm that. If the vet suspected rabies in the least, it was *incumbent* upon him to perform a necropsy on one or more of the kittens to determine if rabies was the source, since you and your family may have been at risk. In any event, see your own human physician to get a titer done on yourself and/or members of your family.

Distemper is a strong possibility as well, and the vet should have done more to determine the cause of death in the kittens, because an epidemic of distemper must be managed and controlled to protect other pets in the area (with area vets advising vaccinations for unvaccinated pets, and isolation measures taken for any home or shelter environment to control the spread of the disease). If any of the area vets have treated distemper cases and reported it, it's incumbent upon your vet to be advised so that he can properly treat any pet who has the common symptoms of distemper. Your kittens showed those symptoms, but runny/watery diarrhea is amoung the most common symptoms. It is the inability to drink water and hanging head over water dish and crouched position that is one of the tell-tale signs of distemper. Unvaccinated, very young, and immunocompromised older pets are at the highest risks for contracting distemper.

Rodenticide poisoning is also a possibility, but so are fertilizers and chemical compounds you may use in your garden, on the lawn, etc. For this reason, amoung others,, is is wise to keep your pets Indoors ONLY. Rodenticide poisoning can be treated if treated at the immediate onset of ingestion, but it must be treated immediately, with aggressive treatment, including IV fluids. Vitamin K is not an antidote, but rather a treatment to help prevent further damage to the kidneys. If the vet suspected rodenticide poisoning, it would have shown up on bloodwork, as elevated kidney enzymes, severe dehydration, etc.

Again, see a more experienced vet, keep your pets indoors only from now on, and get your pets vaccinated, spayed/neutered, and never hesitate to get them seen immediately at the onset of any sudden or unusual symptoms.
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Sorry to scare you Nan, but I thought it neccessary to mention the possibility. I think a scratch wouldn't transfer the rabies virus, as it it passed on through bodily fluids like saliva and urine. In your case I would talk to a physician. I got vaccinated for rabies myself last year (was bitten by a bat) and I remember that the doctor said something about that rabies can be treated ... Talk to your doctor. And also have your remaining cat vaccinated for rabies and also with the other vaccine I mentioned which covers distemper as well. Rabies virus can lie dormant in the body for weeks, even months, so if you don't have symptoms now it doesn't mean you don't carry the virus. I wouldn't take the chance but get you and your family and your cat vaccinated now.
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Thanks Traci, I am almost sure it was distemper because after reading your response I researched distemper and found the following and it certainly fits in with the pattern.

Clinical Findings:
Most infections are subclinical, as evidenced by the high seroprevalence of anti-FPV antibodies among unvaccinated, healthy cats. Those cats that do manifest signs of illness are usually <1 yr old. Typically, fever (104-107°F), depression, and anorexia develop after an incubation period of 2-7 days. Vomiting may develop 1-2 days after the onset of fever; it is usually bilious and unrelated to eating. Diarrhea tends to begin a little later. Extreme dehydration develops rapidly, even in the face of continued drinking. Physical examination reveals severe depression, dehydration, and sometimes abdominal pain. The duration of illness seldom exceeds 5-7 days. Indeed, young kittens with peracute panleukopenia often die within 24 hr of the onset of observed clinical signs. Mortality is high, especially in young kittens; losses of 25-90% are typical. A very typical sign may be a hunched-up position, or the cats may hang their heads over their food or water bowls.

The virus is spread by direct oral contact between infected cats or with their excretions, including feces, urine, saliva and vomit. Common fomites include hands, clothing, food and water dishes, litter pans, bedding, etc. The incubation period, or period between contact with the virus and the appearance of symptoms ranges from 3-10 days.


The above certainly answers all my questions. All the kittens were below one year old and BeadyWhite didn't die because she probably had subclinical infection and was the one who probably spread the disease around in the first place since her field of operations was pretty wide. The only symptom they did not have was diarrhea.

I hold myself entirely responsible for at least the deaths of the last two kittens since with the first four we all thought it was poison and it was so sudden. I had heard vaguely of distemper but never really knew what it was until now. If only I had researched this a little earlier I may have been able to save at least the last two.

We all miss our kittens terribly and are still coping with withdrawal symptoms of not having a kitten or two scampering around under our feet all the time.

The last kitten's piteous cries for help are still ringing in my ears and it will be a long time before I get over this trauma and the guilt.

I suppose we should get BeadyWhite spayed to prevent her transmitting this to any future litters but she is rather small for her size and I am worried the vet may use drugs more suitable for a dog and she may die on the operating table.
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Certainly sounds like distemper. You must be feeling awful. I'm so sorry! The worst is that one really gets no help here from the vets at all.

Nevertheless, have BeadyWhite vaccinated to protect her. There might be other cats in the vicinity who have distemper and she is still at risk if you are letting her out. There is no danger of overdosing with the rabies and Nobivat Tricat vaccines, and Traci will give you specific advice on WHERE in the body the injections should be administered. They are not too costly either, 100Rs for the rabies vaccine and I think around 300Rs for the other.

Same for spaying. Try to find a vet you feel you can talk to and who isn't too proud to listen to you, learning about cats, and work together with you. Again, Traci will be able to give you names and dosis of anastetics for cats, so you can closely monitor what the vet is doing. Here, you HAVE to take things in your own hands. It is difficult and doesn't get any easier with the lack of cooperation of most vets.

You could call around in your area and talk to vets on the phone and see their reactions to your questions and concerns. Hopefully you find a better one than the one you brought Tiger to.

If you are by chance in Maharastra wher I live, I might be able to direct you to a better vet.

Again, I'm very sorry for your loss. You can't be blamed. Make this traumatic experience a stepping stone towards providing better care for BeadyWhite and any other future cats!
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Dear Ash,

I agree wholeheartedly with you about the attitude of vets in India to cats or any animal which does not fetch its owner money.

Unfortunately, I live in a medium small town in Tamil Nadu and there are only a few government vets here who are obviously totally ignorant about any diseases other than those of farm animals and livestock and of course, pedigree dogs.

I heard there is a posh vet somewhere around, who specializes in pedigree dogs for the rich but I doubt even he would know about cats.

I really don't know what to do and am working out the best course of action for BeadyWhite. She was never very friendly at the best of times, and fiercely independent, and now she is just starting to eat again. She seemed to be in mourning for about a week after the last of the kittens died and was off food.

I don’t know if we will be able to take her to the vet without getting ourselves severely injured and scratched!
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